Curse

deya · Jun 16, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

Two Words: Ursan Blessing.

Not really, GW PvE never was that great it's just the PvP part which used to rock.

truemyths · Jun 16, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

PVE was quite challenging in Prophecies and Factions.
Remember trying to get bonus in the Dunes of Despair?

Heroes wrecked it. I like heroes, but it did wreck the overall challenge.

Sir Earl Lionheart · Jun 16, 2008, 03:02 PM // 15:02

I think that Ursan Blessing has made it less challenging. Everyone uses Ursan for everything now, and the only big challenge for the group is to find good monks.

Malice Black · Jun 16, 2008, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by Sir Earl Lionheart

I think that Ursan Blessing has made it less challenging. Everyone uses Ursan for everything now, and the only big challenge for the group is to find good monks.

Good monks are required for UB?! People even play UB badly lol

PvE was a worthwhile challenge when there was only hench. Heroes turned it into easy mode, UB turned it into a game for 3yr olds to practice on before they move to the harder challenge of Hello Kitty Online.

Monkey Slayer · Jun 16, 2008, 03:18 PM // 15:18

I have to agree, UB effectivally screwed over the game. All you see are Ursan groups, and everyone gets their Norn rank up so they can be Ub3r, thus making it damn near impossible to get a normal group for things like FoW and UW, and DoA, etc.

Malice Black · Jun 16, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21

If you want to pug in PvE, you have to Ursan. It's easymode, so the majority of PvE players will use it.

the savage nornbear · Jun 16, 2008, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by truemyths

PVE was quite challenging in Prophecies and Factions.
Remember trying to get bonus in the Dunes of Despair?

Heroes wrecked it. I like heroes, but it did wreck the overall challenge.

Oh my god, I was so FURIOUS, we were so close. I'm not sure how it happened, but Factions, Nightfall, and GWEN were all way easier than Prophecies. I'm not sure if my skill level grew or what, but my first run through Prophecies was one of my most rewarding experiences in gaming. Freaking Lich...

Sora267 · Jun 16, 2008, 03:53 PM // 15:53

PvE was never that challenging unless you were still getting over your noobiness. Once you got used to the game it was a piece of cake.

ogre_jd · Jun 16, 2008, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Shadey

I recently Quit GW,That was after one day I tried to get a grp with my Necro and couldnt for the life of me get one because I didnt have Ursan.

The sad thing about this was it wasnt a elite area or a mission it was a quest.

Where was that? I've been everywhere in Prophecies, Factions and EotN, and everywhere in Nightfall up to the Gate of Desolation (only had it for a bit over 2 weeks and have been splitting my time between all 8 characters, 4 currently doing NF stuff

) - excluding the 'elite' areas other than the Underworld - and have yet to be unable to find a (non-Ursan) PUG whenever I felt the need or desire to do so (and, unless I'm doing something like playing at 4am Eastern on a weekday, the wait's rarely more than 10 minutes).

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Originally Posted by Monkey Slayer

I have to agree, UB effectivally screwed over the game. All you see are Ursan groups, and everyone gets their Norn rank up so they can be Ub3r, thus making it damn near impossible to get a normal group for things like FoW and UW, and DoA, etc.

Bullcrap. Outside of EotN areas (and even there mostly confined around the few rep-grinding locations, like Olafstead), and perhaps the 'elite' areas (strangely enough I had no problem finding a non-Ursan UW PUG to join when I went there a week or two ago), [[Ursan Blessing] just isn't a factor.

Lawrence Chang · Jun 16, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49

This game was made for PvP, yet so many people fall in love with a hollow and bland PvE.

This is what we get for no monthly fees I guess....go play WoW or some other game if you want a deep PvE experience.

Targren · Jun 16, 2008, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Lawrence Chang

This game was made for PvP, yet so many people fall in love with a hollow and bland PvE.

This is what we get for no monthly fees I guess....go play WoW or some other game if you want a deep PvE experience.

This game was made for PvE, yet so many people fall in love with the pointless epeen of PvP. Go play Call of Duty or some other game if you want a deep PvP experience.

See, works both ways. PvE was just as much a part of the game on day one as PvP. You are the minority now, so lose the 'tude, play the game you want, and quit QQing.

Sir Earl Lionheart · Jun 16, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13

I love how you PvP only guys rag on PvE people who have any issues with the game because everything in the game is nerfed or adjusted for PvP. So i guess you don't have nothing to complain about. The game is not a PvP only game or it would not have an option for PvE. So obviously there is some complaining on your end as well or these nerfing/adjusting of skills/spells, etc.. would not happen. Why would you even need to make a comment anyway. If you like the game the way it is then great...have fun. But for those of us who like the PvE version (< you do know there is one right) think that some things have been taken away from it that made it more fun in the past to play.

Commander Ryker · Jun 16, 2008, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by Sir Earl Lionheart

I think that Ursan Blessing has made it less challenging. Everyone uses Ursan for everything now, and the only big challenge for the group is to find good monks.

That's bull, it would only make it less challenging for those that are using it. Don't use it and quit QQing about others using it.

Malice, you don't even play anymore, so how would you know? QQ more.

Sir Earl Lionheart · Jun 16, 2008, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by Targren

This game was made for PvE, yet so many people fall in love with the pointless epeen of PvP.

Yeah i don't care much for PvP. It is not noob friendly by any means. (Noob to PvP that is) If you make any mistake people leave the group, insult you, etc.. The good players all seem to be on the same team all the time, so it's usually one sided, too many cocky aholes. Which is pretty much what most of PvP is... an ego trip for a lot of the guys who play the game and are good at it. Ok, you're awesome, you totally wiped this noob out... god like... got it!! Now all you need is an emote that allows you to pat yourself on the back. Some people just like teamwork with some individual successes as well. Not an all out " I am the greatest " ego trip.

Malice Black · Jun 16, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

That's bull, it would only make it less challenging for those that are using it. Don't use it and quit QQing about others using it.

Malice, you don't even play anymore, so how would you know? QQ more.

Do I not? Could have sworn I logged in last week. Maybe I was mistaken?

nekopowa · Jun 16, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Lawrence Chang

This game was made for PvP, yet so many people fall in love with a hollow and bland PvE.

This is what we get for no monthly fees I guess....go play WoW or some other game if you want a deep PvE experience.

Only "depth" in PvE that WoW has over GW is level grind.

GW PvE hugely beats any other MMO by far mainly because of instances and advantages they give over persistent areas. I think GW offers 10x more than 99% of the MMO's out there for no monthly fee, so i don't see what you're going at.

Some people like GW for what it is, and there's no alternative on the market right now so we cry for more content every once in a while.

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Originally Posted by ...the other guy

PvE was never that challenging unless you were still getting over your noobiness. Once you got used to the game it was a piece of cake.

Yes, it was quite challenging when you had to depend on players to do harder areas instead of rolling everything with gimmick hero builds and ursan. Being a noob or not, hench just didn't cut it.

Eventually hard mode became normal mode, and corpg became a single player game where people interacted with others to:

1. Show off titles.
2. Buy/Sell rare items.
3. Overfarm elite areas with ursan.
4. Do PvP.

Malice Black · Jun 16, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42

You think instances are better then open world?!

OK....

Commander Ryker · Jun 16, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Do I not? Could have sworn I logged in last week. Maybe I was mistaken?

Was it not you who said he gave away all his stuff, uninstalled GW and then installed AoC?

Snow Bunny · Jun 16, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

Was it not you who said he gave away all his stuff, uninstalled GW and then installed AoC?

Ryker, Malice did do an account wipe, but he does log in time to time. When I say time to time, I mean, about as often as Soul Wedding logs in.

Malice, you haven't pugged in ages though.

The only times I pug are on my imbagon - I actually enjoy pugging on my imbagon; players ask why we're killing stuff fast without nukers and the like.

nekopowa · Jun 16, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

You think instances are better then open world?!

OK....

All open world represented in most games was:

"kill x <monster name>",
"bring x <monster drop name> to <npc> name"
or "deliver <item name> to <npc name>".

Next to kill stealing, PKing low levels, etc.

And yes i think ANet made instances way more interesting than that

I'd love open world, but not the kind i mentioned up there, it's primitive at best.